Health Organization for Pudendal Education

He may have said he's getting those success rates, but did he actually say to you, "and that's why I'm charging the rates that I am", or are you jumping to that conclusion on your own?

And what change of heart? I just said in my last post that personally I wouldn't want my ligaments cut (to be on the safe side). That doesn't mean I think we have indisputable evidence that severing the ligaments leads to pelvic instability in all surgical cases.

Let's just hope that he does get a 80% or higher success rate without any Pelvic instabality issue and he does start taking insurance or trains someone who does take insurance.Time will tell whether he can deliver the PNE results as his other Peripheral surgeries.Lets leave the debate to that because all of us have had enough with this miserable condition.

Regards,
Ali

AliPasha1 wrote:all of us have had enough with this miserable condition.

I'm with you there friend!
PS

PS,
What testing are you referring to with Dr. Dellon ? I think that Robyn said that he watched her walk and gave her a physical exam and that was it. As for why he charges what he does...... to maximize profit just like any smart businessman would. If he can deliver results, I guess any price is worth it if you can scrape up the money. Time will tell.

Best Wishes.

Don

donstore wrote:What testing are you referring to with Dr. Dellon ?

http://www.headtotoehealthcare.org/libr ... esting.pdf Not sure why he didn't use this in Robyn's case (maybe she can shed some light). He did in Ali's though & I believe it's his standard practice before he'll determine if a patient's a suitable candidate for the dorsal branch decompression surgery.

donstore wrote:As for why he charges what he does...... to maximize profit just like any smart businessman would.

Perhaps. On the other hand, I also think PN-SufferVT made some good points on this same subject in an earlier thread...

"I wanted to post a note about the cost argument going on here. I spoke with my wife you is an Anesthesiologist. She says that a surgery whether private or public could easily cost 40k in the US.... Heck she says that a common ortho surgery is 50-60k. Furthermore, people often forget the surgery techs, nurses, CRNA, anesthesia, supplies and room cost... beside the surgeon cost. She also noted that the surgeon likely will make a couple grand off a procedure and many times the hospital gets a large amount of the remainder."

Take care, PS.

Hi Donstore,
I couldn't agree more with you.

PS,
That's why we have insurance in the USA so we don't go bankrupt.What would you care,you are Canadian and your goverment will pay for your surgery with Dellon or any other doctor for that matter.

AliPasha1 wrote:What would you care,you are Canadian and your goverment will pay for your surgery with Dellon or any other doctor for that matter.

So because I'm Canadian I'm not allowed to participate in the discussion?!

Secondly, I don't think you're quite grasping exactly how the Canadian system works. It's not as easy as just waltzing in and saying, "I've decided to have surgery w. so & so. Write me a cheque." You (along w. your doc who's submitting the request) have to first convince the provincial Health Insurance Program that the treatment is necessary (not unlike dealing w. a US insurance company, I'd imagine), and also not available locally. This process takes months and they're not particularly trigger-happy when it comes to issuing approvals (eg. my application to see Potter was denied, and I ended up having to pay for that out of my own pocket).

AliPasha1 wrote: No doubt,he has great experience with Peripherial nerves,but PNE is something new to him.The reason that he charges such inflated rates is because he believes that his success rates are higher than 80%. he won't operate if the success rate is 33%.
Ali

WOW, I am SO glad to hear that and surprised that he said that because in the 1st chapter of his book he said he measures success a patient at a time. I agree with Donstore, if he can reach 80% successful rate, the price he asks for is worth it.
If it is true that he has been doing research on PNE for at least 6 years, he should n't be considered as PN newer. This is just my opinion.

Mulan wrote:If it is true that he has been doing research on PNE for at least 6 years, he should n't be considered as PN newer. This is just my opinion.

He (along w. Aszmann et al.) published this report... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16286101 ...back in 2005. So he's been looking at the pudendal nerve for at least 6 years (+ however long it took them to conduct that study prior to its publication).

This is great ! Thank Ali and PS for sharing these useful information with me and others who may consider the surgery in the future. Regarding the ligament cut, I feel he will try to save it as he can unless he has no choice. Of course, he is not going to repair it. It is just my impression.