Hello and Merry Christmas all,
It's been a while since I posted. I have a lot of posts to read and catch up on info. I have a couple of questions and then a comment below.
I'm wondering if anyone has been misdiagnosed as having pudendal and it turned out to be something else such as a compressed nerve elsewhere in the pelvis which mimics PN pain? All along I've believed I have PN but, after reading my medical records again today, I think I may have a compressed dorsal nerve root.
My hysterectomy was very long and I know I wasn't repositioned during the surgery to avoid circulation problems or nerve compression. My doc confirmed this. I think this may be good news because if this is the case I may have a better results if decompression surgery is possible.
Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
PN pain post laproscopic vaginal hysterectomy. MRN diagnosed me with piriformis, sciatica, and pudendal syndromes.
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Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
I have heard of a misdiagnosis which turned out to be a nerve in the inguinal canal. Those nerves enervate many of the same genital areas but I believe not the anal area. The great thing about finding out it's one of those nerves instead, is those can be cut or otherwise deadened without loss of bladder or bowel control.
pelvic pain started 1985 age 14 interstitial cystitis. Refused medical care from age 17, did GREAT with self care for years.
2004 PN started gradually, disabled by 2009. Underlying cause SIJD & Tarlov cysts
improved with PT & meds: neurontin, valium, nortriptyline, propanolol. (off nortriptyline & propanolol now, yay!)
Tarlov cyst surgery with Dr. Frank Feigenbaum March 20, 2012.
Results have been excellent so far; but I won't know my final functional level for a couple of years.
2004 PN started gradually, disabled by 2009. Underlying cause SIJD & Tarlov cysts
improved with PT & meds: neurontin, valium, nortriptyline, propanolol. (off nortriptyline & propanolol now, yay!)
Tarlov cyst surgery with Dr. Frank Feigenbaum March 20, 2012.
Results have been excellent so far; but I won't know my final functional level for a couple of years.
Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
That's great to know. Do you know
I'm wondering if a dorsal nerve happens to be in the group you're referring to. Asking about bladder or blowel control is a huge question to ask. How does one know if this nerve is easier to access and operate on than a pudendal nerve?
Thanks
Ms. Rivers
Hello Majesty,HerMajesty wrote:I have heard of a misdiagnosis which turned out to be a nerve in the inguinal canal.
I'm wondering if a dorsal nerve happens to be in the group you're referring to. Asking about bladder or blowel control is a huge question to ask. How does one know if this nerve is easier to access and operate on than a pudendal nerve?
Thanks
Ms. Rivers
PN pain post laproscopic vaginal hysterectomy. MRN diagnosed me with piriformis, sciatica, and pudendal syndromes.
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Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
The nerves I am familiar with in the inguinal canal are ilioinguinal, hypogastric, and genitofemoral. I am not familiar with the nerve you mentioned but if another patient does not know, a neurologist will. Or you might be able to research it online. Some nerves are just sensory and some are sensory and motor...the sensory nerves can be done away with, without serious consequence.
pelvic pain started 1985 age 14 interstitial cystitis. Refused medical care from age 17, did GREAT with self care for years.
2004 PN started gradually, disabled by 2009. Underlying cause SIJD & Tarlov cysts
improved with PT & meds: neurontin, valium, nortriptyline, propanolol. (off nortriptyline & propanolol now, yay!)
Tarlov cyst surgery with Dr. Frank Feigenbaum March 20, 2012.
Results have been excellent so far; but I won't know my final functional level for a couple of years.
2004 PN started gradually, disabled by 2009. Underlying cause SIJD & Tarlov cysts
improved with PT & meds: neurontin, valium, nortriptyline, propanolol. (off nortriptyline & propanolol now, yay!)
Tarlov cyst surgery with Dr. Frank Feigenbaum March 20, 2012.
Results have been excellent so far; but I won't know my final functional level for a couple of years.
Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
Ms. Rivers, when you say the dorsal nerve are you talking about the dorsal nerve of the clitoris? That is a branch of the pudendal nerve.
PNE since 2002. Started from weightlifting. PNE surgery from Dr. Bautrant, Oct 2004. Pain now is usually a 0 and I can sit for hours on certain chairs. No longer take medication for PNE. Can work full time and do "The Firm" exercise program. 99% cured from PGAD. PNE surgery was right for me but it might not be for you. Do your research.
Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
Well, I'm not sure if it's the clitoris. Is the clitoris the only area to locate this nerve root?
My pain is so near my tailbone. I was in surgery for a very long time without being repositioned, in stirrups. I feel the nerves near my tailbone were compressed by my own weight and stirrups. Would the pudendal nerve still be involved?
My symptoms involve sciatica, tingling in toe, sharp shooting pins and needles in feet, pain sitting, muscle spasms, some toe numbness, pain in buttock. I read that this could be dorsal nerve root compression. The symptoms mimic pudendal, OR is this the same nerve limb (for lack of better term), which branches out to the pudendal branches???
I apologize for my lack of medical knowledge. This is all so confusing and I'm still learning and a work in progress.
A very confused MsRivers (help!)
My pain is so near my tailbone. I was in surgery for a very long time without being repositioned, in stirrups. I feel the nerves near my tailbone were compressed by my own weight and stirrups. Would the pudendal nerve still be involved?
My symptoms involve sciatica, tingling in toe, sharp shooting pins and needles in feet, pain sitting, muscle spasms, some toe numbness, pain in buttock. I read that this could be dorsal nerve root compression. The symptoms mimic pudendal, OR is this the same nerve limb (for lack of better term), which branches out to the pudendal branches???
I apologize for my lack of medical knowledge. This is all so confusing and I'm still learning and a work in progress.
A very confused MsRivers (help!)
PN pain post laproscopic vaginal hysterectomy. MRN diagnosed me with piriformis, sciatica, and pudendal syndromes.
Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
Well, I'm not sure if it's the clitoris. Is the clitoris the only area to locate this nerve root?
My pain is so near my tailbone. I was in surgery for a very long time without being repositioned, in stirrups. I feel the nerves near my tailbone were compressed by my own weight and stirrups. Would the pudendal nerve still be involved?
My symptoms involve sciatica, tingling in toe, sharp shooting pins and needles in feet, pain sitting, muscle spasms, some toe numbness, pain in buttock. I read that this could be dorsal nerve root compression. The symptoms mimic pudendal, OR is this the same nerve limb (for lack of better term), which branches out to the pudendal branches???
I apologize for my lack of medical knowledge. This is all so confusing and I'm still learning and a work in progress.
A very confused MsRivers (help!)
My pain is so near my tailbone. I was in surgery for a very long time without being repositioned, in stirrups. I feel the nerves near my tailbone were compressed by my own weight and stirrups. Would the pudendal nerve still be involved?
My symptoms involve sciatica, tingling in toe, sharp shooting pins and needles in feet, pain sitting, muscle spasms, some toe numbness, pain in buttock. I read that this could be dorsal nerve root compression. The symptoms mimic pudendal, OR is this the same nerve limb (for lack of better term), which branches out to the pudendal branches???
I apologize for my lack of medical knowledge. This is all so confusing and I'm still learning and a work in progress.
A very confused MsRivers (help!)
PN pain post laproscopic vaginal hysterectomy. MRN diagnosed me with piriformis, sciatica, and pudendal syndromes.
Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
that does not sound like the dorsal nerve to the clitoris to me. perhaps a rectal branch of the pudendal nerve or could be coccyx or sacral roots. dorsal nerve is on l and r of clitoris and also at it's lowest point paralell to bottom of vagina. inguinal issues would also most likely cause labial pain more than rectal or near coccyx i believe.
-straddle fall age 4-7 w/bleeding labia, tampons hurt in teens, papsmere started annoying pelvic 'tingling' & pne in 02
-obturator surgery w/ Filler in 05 (useless, created sciatic & plantar fascitis pain)
-TIR surgery w/ Bautrant in 08 and vestibulectomy in 08 in France (vest. removed pain w/intercourse, pain w/sitting increased post surgery)
-chronic fatigue & food allergies/migraines (gluten, milk) from pain meds in 08
-want a life back. I'm 34 w/8+ years of pain
-obturator surgery w/ Filler in 05 (useless, created sciatic & plantar fascitis pain)
-TIR surgery w/ Bautrant in 08 and vestibulectomy in 08 in France (vest. removed pain w/intercourse, pain w/sitting increased post surgery)
-chronic fatigue & food allergies/migraines (gluten, milk) from pain meds in 08
-want a life back. I'm 34 w/8+ years of pain
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Hi Pianogal,
Yes! The coccyx and sacral area is now what I am trying to research. I broke my tailbone when I was 13 and I feel it may have become compressed during a 5 hour long surgery. I wasn't repositioned during surgery. I didn't begin experiencing pain until 3 months after the surgery. I did have bladder hesitancy and problems emptying my bladder while in the hospital. I began experiencing neurological symptoms while home on leave, then after returning to work 3months later, I began having sitting pain. The docs say I don't present like a classic pn patient.
I need to find a good neuro who accepts self-paying patients and have them look at my records again. Can you believe I called a neuro and they wouldn't accept me as a patient because I'm self paying! They are literlly saying "we don't want your money" only if it comes from an insurance company. This is crazy!
Yes! The coccyx and sacral area is now what I am trying to research. I broke my tailbone when I was 13 and I feel it may have become compressed during a 5 hour long surgery. I wasn't repositioned during surgery. I didn't begin experiencing pain until 3 months after the surgery. I did have bladder hesitancy and problems emptying my bladder while in the hospital. I began experiencing neurological symptoms while home on leave, then after returning to work 3months later, I began having sitting pain. The docs say I don't present like a classic pn patient.
I need to find a good neuro who accepts self-paying patients and have them look at my records again. Can you believe I called a neuro and they wouldn't accept me as a patient because I'm self paying! They are literlly saying "we don't want your money" only if it comes from an insurance company. This is crazy!
PN pain post laproscopic vaginal hysterectomy. MRN diagnosed me with piriformis, sciatica, and pudendal syndromes.
Re: Pudendal misdiagnosis (has this happened?)
MS Rivers
See my posts under Tarlov Cysts, your symptoms sound a lot like that could be the root cause,
Best of luck.
Joy
See my posts under Tarlov Cysts, your symptoms sound a lot like that could be the root cause,
Best of luck.
Joy