If anyone who had surgery from Dr. Erdogru reads this we invite you to comment on your surgery results.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24149853
Surg Endosc. 2013 Oct 23.
Laparoscopic pudendal nerve decompression and transposition combined with omental flap protection of the nerve (Istanbul technique): technical description and feasibility analysis.
Erdogru T, Avci E, Akand M.
Source
Department of Urology, Minimally Invasive and Robotic Surgery Center, Memorial Istanbul Atasehir Hospital, Vedat Gunyol Street, Nr:30-31, Istanbul, Turkey, dr@tibeterdogru.com.
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
We aimed in this study to investigate the efficacy of laparoscopic pudendal nerve decompression and transposition (LaPNDT) in the treatment of chronic pelvic pain due to pudendal neuralgia. Pudendal nerve entrapment (PNE) between the sacrospinous and sacrotuberous ligaments is the most frequent etiology. We describe the technical details, feasibility, and advantages of a laparoscopic approach in patients with PNE.
METHODS:
Consecutive patients (n = 27) with a diagnosis of PNE underwent LaPNDT with omental flap protection in an effort to prevent re-fibrosis around the nerve in the long term. The degree of pain and pain impact were evaluated pre- and postoperatively using the visual analog pain scale (VAS) and the Impact of Symptoms and Quality of Life.
RESULTS:
The mean (±standard deviation [SD]) follow-up of the 27 patients was 6.8 ± 4.2 months; 16 of the 27 were followed-up for more than 6 months. The mean (SD) operation time was 199.4 ± 36.1 (155-300) min, and the mean estimated blood loss was 39.7 ml. All patients were ambulated on the first postoperative day, and the mean (SD) hospitalization time was 2.1 ± 1.0 (1-6) days. The mean VAS scores of 27, 23, 16, and 6 patients were 1.5, 1.4, 1.6, and 2.0, postoperatively, at the first, third, sixth, and twelfth months (p < 0.0001). A more than reduction in VAS score (>80 %) was achieved in 13 of the 16 patients (81.2 %) who were followed-up for more than 6 months.
CONCLUSIONS:
LaPNDT seems a feasible surgical modality for cautiously selected patients with PNE. In addition, using an omental flap for protection of the nerve is one of the most important technical advantages of laparoscopy. As a minimally invasive surgery, the laparoscopic approach can be technically feasible, with its promising preliminary results in the treatment of PNE. With further analysis, in the future it may open new frontiers for pudendal nerve neuromodulation as a new treatment modality in some intractable functional problems of the genitourinary tract.
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PNE since 2002. Started from weightlifting. PNE surgery from Dr. Bautrant, Oct 2004. Pain now is usually a 0 and I can sit for hours on certain chairs. No longer take medication for PNE. Can work full time and do "The Firm" exercise program. 99% cured from PGAD. PNE surgery was right for me but it might not be for you. Do your research.
Re: Erdogru publication
Violet,
Question, I'm not in the medical field, but what does it mean if anything, when this type of info is published? What positive outcomes are there? Do major hospitals/physican groups read this and take note? Just curious.
Thanks,
Debbie
Question, I'm not in the medical field, but what does it mean if anything, when this type of info is published? What positive outcomes are there? Do major hospitals/physican groups read this and take note? Just curious.
Thanks,
Debbie
Vag pain, leg burning 3/11, SIJ inj 7/11, Pelvic PT, Chiro/acupuncture,
2-CT pudendal blks 11/2012, did help, less deep vag pain
Potter MRI 04/2012 - Scar tissue/thickening at SS/ST, scar in Alcock canal -bilateral,
Hibner 6/12 suggests Botox (didnt do), 8/12 more pelvic PT w/ dry needling
Gabapentin 1800 mg, Lyrica 200 mg, 5mg valium, vicodin as needed
Trying to get rid of central sensitization burning pain in my legs, Valium seems to be helping
Looking into more mindfulness options. . . . .
2-CT pudendal blks 11/2012, did help, less deep vag pain
Potter MRI 04/2012 - Scar tissue/thickening at SS/ST, scar in Alcock canal -bilateral,
Hibner 6/12 suggests Botox (didnt do), 8/12 more pelvic PT w/ dry needling
Gabapentin 1800 mg, Lyrica 200 mg, 5mg valium, vicodin as needed
Trying to get rid of central sensitization burning pain in my legs, Valium seems to be helping
Looking into more mindfulness options. . . . .
Re: Erdogru publication
It's peer reviewed literature but I suspect that just because it's peer reviewed doesn't mean docs don't ever skew their results. Physicians should keep up with new developments in their field of practice but I'm sure it's not possible to read everything and some do a better job at keeping up than others. People will be more likely to stand up and take notice if the research can be reproduced and a second or third physician or team of docs publishes with the same results.deBBieW wrote:Violet,
Question, I'm not in the medical field, but what does it mean if anything, when this type of info is published? What positive outcomes are there? Do major hospitals/physican groups read this and take note? Just curious.
Thanks,
Debbie
Violet
PNE since 2002. Started from weightlifting. PNE surgery from Dr. Bautrant, Oct 2004. Pain now is usually a 0 and I can sit for hours on certain chairs. No longer take medication for PNE. Can work full time and do "The Firm" exercise program. 99% cured from PGAD. PNE surgery was right for me but it might not be for you. Do your research.
Re: Erdogru publication
A few ladies from our Facebook hope site went to turkey last year. Their results are rather vague. None if them talk much about it, but are still experiencing pain.
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PN after using pickaxe doing yardwork 6/11
Potter MRI: Scar tissue abutting L pudendal.
Hibner consult 10/11 w/ plan: 2 mo. PT
No meds work for me
PRF X 3 times in Denver ( was pain free for 5 months after second)
Potter MRI: Scar tissue abutting L pudendal.
Hibner consult 10/11 w/ plan: 2 mo. PT
No meds work for me
PRF X 3 times in Denver ( was pain free for 5 months after second)
Re: Erdogru publication
Guess I figured out my answer. Wondered if anyone tried this. Doesn't sound too promising anymore. Ughhhh
Pudendal pain started in Feb 2014. Potter MRI- useless findings (dont waste your money), tried pelvic floor pt, ART, Trigenics, Osteopathic treatment, fascial work, Massage, Shockwave, world renown chiros, osteopaths and PTs, stretching bla bla. Nothing helped but shockwave (which was short lived) and one world renown chiro that is a douchebag because he cant treat me again. All in all, God is the only one who can lead your path.