I recently spoke to Dr. Gerig. She generously spent 30 minutes on the phone with me after a colleague forwarded an email I sent him about his PubMed.com paper on neuromodulation. She told me she wants to "change the world". She is very bright and enthusiastic and is taking on patients from other specialists who are OBGYNs. Apparently there is some new rule - or law - that OBGYNs can no longer treat male pelvic pain. She is now training to do pudendal nerve release surgery, although I can't remember the surgeon's name, it was one of the most prominent names.
Here are a summary of her recommendation for me.
Nel E. Gerig, MD
Medical Director
The Pelvic Solutions Center
1601 E. 19th Avenue, Suite 5500, Denver, CO 80218
Ph: 303-260-5092 F: 303-260-5093
My telephone assessment without examination is that you may have a biomechanical issue related to
compensation for the right hamstring issue. There are likely other underlying factors in your history
which were not obtained today. I suspect you may have compression of the pudendal and/or
ilioinguinal nerves from malalignment and/or muscle spasm.
My recommendations for you are as follows:
You need a team of providers who can help you determine why that certain posture/position
relieves your pain, and how to address the issues that uncovers.
1. Assessment by a physical therapist. This should be someone who can identify and treat any
potential trigger points which you may have.
Other physical therapy techniques that may be useful include
the Egoscue method, or Postural Restoration Therapy.
A rolfer may be able to address some of these issues as well.
2. Assessment by an osteopathic physician.
3. For medications, you need a neuromodulator ( or combination of same) that provides pain
relief without significant side effects. For now, would consider change of gabapentin to
Gralise, which is extended release gabapentin, and may be less sedating. Other
possibilities would be to change to Lyrica, or to use Cymbalta or Savella instead of the
Wellbutrin. This would require monitoring by the physician who is treating your
depression.
You also need a muscle relaxant. There are several options; again the goal is to find a
medication that provides relief without significant side effects. I have had good success
with tizanidine. You could also consider flexeril, baclofen, skelaxin, etc.
It is sometimes useful to add in a rectal suppository compounded by a special pharmacy
with some combination of lidocaine and a muscle relaxant. I commonly use lidocaine 50
mg with valium 5 – 10 mg +/- baclofen 5 – 10 mg used at night, twice a day for bad
days but this could cause some sedation.
4. If the above methods do not result in relief, would consider further nerve blocks and
the possibility of Botox injections for any recalcitrant trigger points.
5. If you are not making progress, I would be happy to help you arrange a trip to Denver for
evaluation by our team.
I respect your journey and wish you strength to continue.
Dr. Nel Gerig in Denver
Dr. Nel Gerig in Denver
Left testicle pain since 2008. Left sciatica 2010-2012. Failed left epididectomy, orchiectomy, botox injections, nerve blocks and internal physical therapy. Genital branch of genitofemoral and perineal branch of pudendal nerve cut. L5-S1 microdiscectomy cured sciatica. Dorsal Root Ganglion nerve stimulator failed to help and was removed. I have had 4 pudendal nerve blocks, two from Dr. Poree worked for 2 hrs. The ONLY break from pain ever.
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Thanks for posting Dr Gerig's assessment. It is wonderful to hear a new doctor can be added to our list for surgery and taking PN and PNE diagnosis, etc.
Janet
Janet
2007-08 pelvic muscles spasms treated by EGS. 6/27/10 sat too long on hard chair- spasms, EGS not work Botox help, cortisone shots in coccyx help, still pain, PT found PNE & sent me to Dr Marvel nerve blocks & MRN, TG left surgery 5/9/11. I have chronic bunion pain surgery at age 21. TG gave me back enough sitting to keep my job & join in some social activities. I wish the best to everyone! 2019 luck with orthotics from pedorthist & great PT allowing me to get off oxycodone.
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The ruling that Ob/Gyn's can no longer treat male patients was recently overturned. You can do a search and find the links to the change in the ruling. This was do to all the petitions and IPPS. There are times are voices are heard.
Good luck and sounds like you are on a good track.
Good luck and sounds like you are on a good track.
2/07 LAVH and TOT 7/07 TOT right side removed 9/07 IL, IH and GN neuropathy 11/07 PN - Dr. Howard
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
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Jon,
Dr. Gerig was most generous to speak to you - and I hope she isn't too far from where you live, best of luck and keep us informed please.
Others have seen Dr. Gerig I believe . . . . I'm sure I've seen a post or two here.
Debbie
Dr. Gerig was most generous to speak to you - and I hope she isn't too far from where you live, best of luck and keep us informed please.
Others have seen Dr. Gerig I believe . . . . I'm sure I've seen a post or two here.
Debbie
Vag pain, leg burning 3/11, SIJ inj 7/11, Pelvic PT, Chiro/acupuncture,
2-CT pudendal blks 11/2012, did help, less deep vag pain
Potter MRI 04/2012 - Scar tissue/thickening at SS/ST, scar in Alcock canal -bilateral,
Hibner 6/12 suggests Botox (didnt do), 8/12 more pelvic PT w/ dry needling
Gabapentin 1800 mg, Lyrica 200 mg, 5mg valium, vicodin as needed
Trying to get rid of central sensitization burning pain in my legs, Valium seems to be helping
Looking into more mindfulness options. . . . .
2-CT pudendal blks 11/2012, did help, less deep vag pain
Potter MRI 04/2012 - Scar tissue/thickening at SS/ST, scar in Alcock canal -bilateral,
Hibner 6/12 suggests Botox (didnt do), 8/12 more pelvic PT w/ dry needling
Gabapentin 1800 mg, Lyrica 200 mg, 5mg valium, vicodin as needed
Trying to get rid of central sensitization burning pain in my legs, Valium seems to be helping
Looking into more mindfulness options. . . . .
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I started seeing Dr. Gerig in January. I had suffered for months with terrible pelvic pain and severe loss of sensation/libido. I had learned to live with it and I thought I would be stuck with it forever, but she set me up with an osteopath and a great PT in Colorado Springs named Teresa Kenens. After 3 months of PT and seeing a DO (Joel Berenbeim), I have improved by about 70 percent, and see more improvement every week. I can SIT again..
PNE is not well understood, but if you haven't tried seeing a DO, PT, and taken the accompanying medications as treatment, DO IT. If you are in the Denver area, go see her.
PNE is not well understood, but if you haven't tried seeing a DO, PT, and taken the accompanying medications as treatment, DO IT. If you are in the Denver area, go see her.