Hi
Does anyone else experience unexplained foot pain?
I have pain in my feet, especially when I first get up in a morning and I can't seem to make my feet work untill I have taken a good few steps and 'got going' so to speak. my ankles and feet are just painful if I put my weight on them. Sometime I can also get pain in the big toe joints, I think I do have mild bunions, but also swelling on the upper part of my foot, especially on the right where my PN is worst?
Cheers
Peaches
Foot pain
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HerMajesty
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Re: Foot pain
I have neuropathy in my feet. Actually I feel it in my toes although I have reduced ankle reflexes as well.
I am told it is related to sciatic nerve involvement - many pudendal patients have sciatica, as in pain radiating down the leg from the buttock; but the sciatic nerve has different components / branches just like the pudendal, and it is possible to have manifestations in the foot only. Both the sciatic and pudendal run through the pelvis and can get caught up in some of the same areas - Dr. Filler believes that both nerves in my case are caught in the piriformis muscle although I am not sure if he is correct. However I do have a bipatrite (split) piriformis muscle, as does approximately 20% of the population, which makes it more likely to catch both nerves, and my piriformis is tight and spastic blaterally, so I do aim to find out.
The other issue is that for me, my Pelvic pain ORIGINATED with my feet. I had a gait problem with led me to injure my pelvis while hiking. My gait problem was painless, it's just that I had morton's toe (also very common), but was compensating for it badly by supinating, that is walking with all my weight on the outside of my feet. Most people with morton's toe compensate by overpronating, which is turning your feet too far inwards when you walk. That tends to cause bunions, hammer toes, and leg cramps by middle age but in my observation, is less likely to cause injuries up the kinetic chain. People with Morton's toe cannot actually walk normally, with no over-pronation or supination, unless they rig up their shoes, which I now do. If you have morton's toe, you probably don't know it, here is a link that describes how to examine your own feet to find out (read carefully, your 2nd toe being longer that your 1st, while a dead giveaway, is NOT necessarily the case) : http://whyyoureallyhurt.com/mortons-toe ... rtons-toe/
Any other gait issue, such as plantar faciitis, etc, can also be a cause of pelvic injury so it is important to note whether you had foot problems before, after, or simultaneous to the PN. You can look into PT / gait training for your feet if necessary; it is probably easier to find competent help there than with pelvic floor PT, and it might have a positive impact on your pudendal symptoms; although pelvic injury that has already happened must be treated directly, it cannot be cured by correcting your gait. Correcting gait can however prevent further damage and stop exacerbating the situation.
I am told it is related to sciatic nerve involvement - many pudendal patients have sciatica, as in pain radiating down the leg from the buttock; but the sciatic nerve has different components / branches just like the pudendal, and it is possible to have manifestations in the foot only. Both the sciatic and pudendal run through the pelvis and can get caught up in some of the same areas - Dr. Filler believes that both nerves in my case are caught in the piriformis muscle although I am not sure if he is correct. However I do have a bipatrite (split) piriformis muscle, as does approximately 20% of the population, which makes it more likely to catch both nerves, and my piriformis is tight and spastic blaterally, so I do aim to find out.
The other issue is that for me, my Pelvic pain ORIGINATED with my feet. I had a gait problem with led me to injure my pelvis while hiking. My gait problem was painless, it's just that I had morton's toe (also very common), but was compensating for it badly by supinating, that is walking with all my weight on the outside of my feet. Most people with morton's toe compensate by overpronating, which is turning your feet too far inwards when you walk. That tends to cause bunions, hammer toes, and leg cramps by middle age but in my observation, is less likely to cause injuries up the kinetic chain. People with Morton's toe cannot actually walk normally, with no over-pronation or supination, unless they rig up their shoes, which I now do. If you have morton's toe, you probably don't know it, here is a link that describes how to examine your own feet to find out (read carefully, your 2nd toe being longer that your 1st, while a dead giveaway, is NOT necessarily the case) : http://whyyoureallyhurt.com/mortons-toe ... rtons-toe/
Any other gait issue, such as plantar faciitis, etc, can also be a cause of pelvic injury so it is important to note whether you had foot problems before, after, or simultaneous to the PN. You can look into PT / gait training for your feet if necessary; it is probably easier to find competent help there than with pelvic floor PT, and it might have a positive impact on your pudendal symptoms; although pelvic injury that has already happened must be treated directly, it cannot be cured by correcting your gait. Correcting gait can however prevent further damage and stop exacerbating the situation.
pelvic pain started 1985 age 14 interstitial cystitis. Refused medical care from age 17, did GREAT with self care for years.
2004 PN started gradually, disabled by 2009. Underlying cause SIJD & Tarlov cysts
improved with PT & meds: neurontin, valium, nortriptyline, propanolol. (off nortriptyline & propanolol now, yay!)
Tarlov cyst surgery with Dr. Frank Feigenbaum March 20, 2012.
Results have been excellent so far; but I won't know my final functional level for a couple of years.
2004 PN started gradually, disabled by 2009. Underlying cause SIJD & Tarlov cysts
improved with PT & meds: neurontin, valium, nortriptyline, propanolol. (off nortriptyline & propanolol now, yay!)
Tarlov cyst surgery with Dr. Frank Feigenbaum March 20, 2012.
Results have been excellent so far; but I won't know my final functional level for a couple of years.
Re: Foot pain
Its very common to have foot problems with PN....the perfect place to put pads for use of a tens machine is on either side of the ankle bone.
Recently I have been experiencing serious aching in my big toe on the right side and also more recently ankle ache. I did have an injury and had a fracture to the second metatarsal which gave me terrible pain in my big toe....my physio gave me ultrasound treatment for many weeks which helped however now Ive noticed my ankle is more swolen and aching at night. Ive tried icing the area which helps a lot along with aromatherapy oils to soothe the joint.
Wearing more supportive shoes helps a lot too....I prefer to wear more fashionable sandals in the Summer though!!!!
Recently I have been experiencing serious aching in my big toe on the right side and also more recently ankle ache. I did have an injury and had a fracture to the second metatarsal which gave me terrible pain in my big toe....my physio gave me ultrasound treatment for many weeks which helped however now Ive noticed my ankle is more swolen and aching at night. Ive tried icing the area which helps a lot along with aromatherapy oils to soothe the joint.
Wearing more supportive shoes helps a lot too....I prefer to wear more fashionable sandals in the Summer though!!!!
PNE started 2003 following Vaginal Hysterectomy, pelvic floor repair and right oophorectomy; eventually after many tests had BilateralTG surgery Nantes 2004; following this tried many other treatments including 7 day epidural, ketamin infusions to no avail; Trialed and was implanted with a Neurostimulator in 2007- Dr Van Buyten Belgium, this has enabled me to manage my pain much better.
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I have severe foot/heel pain but it's not unexplained. It's from standing all of the freakin' time. The bottoms of my heels feel like there's glass embedded in them and they burn constantly.
The backs & sides of my heels are very sore and sensative to touch. Mine is really a stress related injury.
Me, too! Although I've given up on the strappy sandals for now, I glued Dr. Scholl's heel gels onto my flip flops and they do help quite a bit.
The backs & sides of my heels are very sore and sensative to touch. Mine is really a stress related injury.
Amanda wrote:Wearing more supportive shoes helps a lot too....I prefer to wear more fashionable sandals in the Summer though!!!!
Me, too! Although I've given up on the strappy sandals for now, I glued Dr. Scholl's heel gels onto my flip flops and they do help quite a bit.Ultra Sound in 03/08 showed severely retroverted, detaching uterus with mulitple fibroids and ovarian cysts.
Pressure and pain in lower abdomen and groin area was unspeakable and devastating.
Total lap hysterectomy in 06/08, but damage was already done.
EMG testing in NH in 04/10 - bilateral PN and Ilioinguals
3T MRI at HSS, NY in 09/10
Bilateral TG surgery with Dr. Conway on 03/29/11. Bilat ilioinguinal & iliohypogastric neurectomy 03/12. TCD surgery 04/14.
Pressure and pain in lower abdomen and groin area was unspeakable and devastating.
Total lap hysterectomy in 06/08, but damage was already done.
EMG testing in NH in 04/10 - bilateral PN and Ilioinguals
3T MRI at HSS, NY in 09/10
Bilateral TG surgery with Dr. Conway on 03/29/11. Bilat ilioinguinal & iliohypogastric neurectomy 03/12. TCD surgery 04/14.
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helenlegs 11
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Re: Foot pain
I know it's not funny. . . .but I you did make me laughKaryn wrote:I have severe foot/heel pain but it's not unexplained. It's from standing all of the freakin' time
Any and everyone who has foot problems should try a pair of FITFLOPS www.fitflop.com . I can not recommend them highly enough. They go straight on as soon as I get out of bed in the morning and are the only shoe brand that I can wear as I have such problems with my feet (especially soles and heels)Karyn wrote: I glued Dr. Scholl's heel gels onto my flip flops and they do help quite a bit.
I have tried everything including all sorts of insoles, MBT's, trainers and 'comfy' shoes but for me anyway they are the best.
They need to get a pair of smarter shoes sorted and then I could be able to be 'well heeled' for all occasions. I have fitflop boots, flip flops (obv) and even slippers.
I did used to get swelling and pain in my ankles and back of heel Peaches, and I am still adamant that it is PS and PN related as it was always worse on my worse PS/PN side. It was always worse in the mornings too, quite painful until I had walked a few steps and as you described 'got going'.
I put it down to fluid retention/protection which dissipates with movement once up and around. I knew mine wasn't arthritis as not on a joint, but check that out too? ? The pain was always in the same exact place but I only get (less) ankle swelling now probably because of my FITFLOPS (ok I'm obsessed!)
Fall 2008. Misdiagnosed with lumber spine problem. MRN June 2010 indicated pudendal entrapment at Alcocks canal. Diagnosed with complex variant piriformis syndrome with sciatic, pudendal and gluteal entrapment's by Dr Filler 2010.Guided piriformis botox injection 2011 Bristol. 2013, Nerve conduction test positive; new spinal MRI scan negative, so diagnosed for the 4th time with pelvic nerve entrapment, now recognised as Sciatic, pudendal, PFCN and cluneal nerves at piriformis level.
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Oh, I looove FitFlops. So comfy, I forget I am wearing them. I have several pairs of the sandals already, and I plan to get a pair of their boots before the autumn. I didn't know they did slippers though - that sounds like an excellent idea! Where did you get them from, Helen? I don't see them on their website.
Other shoes that are good are Vivo Barefoot - I could live in these if they did a nice sandal, but they don't. But they are excellent for smart-ish shoes, I find. Obviously they are only good if you are comfortable barefoot in the first place!
Other shoes that are good are Vivo Barefoot - I could live in these if they did a nice sandal, but they don't. But they are excellent for smart-ish shoes, I find. Obviously they are only good if you are comfortable barefoot in the first place!
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helenlegs 11
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Re: Foot pain
Don't think they do the slippers anymore although the gogh (??) suede clogs are a good substitute. I have worn my sandals so much this summer that when I take them off my you can still see the shape of them where my tan stops! I will check those others out too Calluna thanks. How did your daughters graduation go yesterday btw. Doctor Calluna jnr . . . . fabulous!calluna wrote:Oh, I looove FitFlops. So comfy, I forget I am wearing them. I have several pairs of the sandals already, and I plan to get a pair of their boots before the autumn. I didn't know they did slippers though - that sounds like an excellent idea! Where did you get them from, Helen? I don't see them on their website.
Other shoes that are good are Vivo Barefoot - I could live in these if they did a nice sandal, but they don't. But they are excellent for smart-ish shoes, I find. Obviously they are only good if you are comfortable barefoot in the first place!
Fall 2008. Misdiagnosed with lumber spine problem. MRN June 2010 indicated pudendal entrapment at Alcocks canal. Diagnosed with complex variant piriformis syndrome with sciatic, pudendal and gluteal entrapment's by Dr Filler 2010.Guided piriformis botox injection 2011 Bristol. 2013, Nerve conduction test positive; new spinal MRI scan negative, so diagnosed for the 4th time with pelvic nerve entrapment, now recognised as Sciatic, pudendal, PFCN and cluneal nerves at piriformis level.
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Yes, I too have 'fitflop' tanned feet! They are brilliant shoes, excellent for my arthritic ankle, and so so comfortable.
I didn't go to the graduation in the end. Talking to my daughter, we realised that I would have had to sit for about 4 hours solid, it is a long ceremony, plus the journey which is 2 hours on the train each way, and I decided it was too much. But the sun was shining and it was a beautiful day - I haven't heard from my daughter yet, she does understand the difficulties, probably more than most people would of course.
Also another very big factor - well, I am carer for one of my sons, he was brain injured in his gap year and now has severe mental health problems. He has been in crisis for a couple of weeks now, things have been getting worse and worse and yesterday was a very difficult day. So it was a good thing I was here. I haven't seen him yet this morning, he wouldn't stay here overnight. I just hope he is still alive.
/end threadjack, sorry to go off topic.
I didn't go to the graduation in the end. Talking to my daughter, we realised that I would have had to sit for about 4 hours solid, it is a long ceremony, plus the journey which is 2 hours on the train each way, and I decided it was too much. But the sun was shining and it was a beautiful day - I haven't heard from my daughter yet, she does understand the difficulties, probably more than most people would of course.
Also another very big factor - well, I am carer for one of my sons, he was brain injured in his gap year and now has severe mental health problems. He has been in crisis for a couple of weeks now, things have been getting worse and worse and yesterday was a very difficult day. So it was a good thing I was here. I haven't seen him yet this morning, he wouldn't stay here overnight. I just hope he is still alive.
/end threadjack, sorry to go off topic.
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Hugs, Calluna. I do hope you hear from your son today.
Athlete until pain started in 2001. Diagnosed with PN in Nov. 2010. Probable cause: 3 difficult labors, 5 pelvic surgeries for endometriosis, and undiagnosed hip injuries. 60% better after 3 rounds of shockwave therapy in Cornwall, Ontario (Dec - Feb/12). 99% better after bilateral hip scopes for FAI and labral tears (April and July/12). Pelvic pain life coach Lorraine Faendrich helped me overcome the mind/body connection to chronic pain: http://www.radiantlifedesign.com
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Thankyou Lernica. 
Yes, he's still with us. I got a text asking if he can have a lift to an appointment tomorrow. So I know he'll still be here tomorrow as well. A bit stressful here - sorry, people, I should not have mentioned this whole issue.
Yes, he's still with us. I got a text asking if he can have a lift to an appointment tomorrow. So I know he'll still be here tomorrow as well. A bit stressful here - sorry, people, I should not have mentioned this whole issue.