Lernica,
I agree but in this case it seems to be invariably a low pain window for 18-24 hours then it is terrible. A placebo is more gradual and can last up to 6 months.
The mystery of patients doing very well right after surgery
Re: The mystery of patients doing very well right after surg
2002 PN pain started following a fall on a wet marble floor
2004 Headache in the pelvis clinic. Diagnosed with PNE by Drs. Jerome Weiss, Stephen Mann, and Rodney Anderson
2004-2007 PT, Botox, diagnosed with PNE by Dr. Sheldon Jordan
2010 MRN and 3T MRI showing PNE. Diagnosed with PNE by Dr. Aaron Filler. 2 failed PNE surgeries.
2011-2012 Horrific PN pain.
2013 Experimented with various Mind-body modalities
3/2014 Significantly better
11/2014 Cured. No pain whatsoever since
2004 Headache in the pelvis clinic. Diagnosed with PNE by Drs. Jerome Weiss, Stephen Mann, and Rodney Anderson
2004-2007 PT, Botox, diagnosed with PNE by Dr. Sheldon Jordan
2010 MRN and 3T MRI showing PNE. Diagnosed with PNE by Dr. Aaron Filler. 2 failed PNE surgeries.
2011-2012 Horrific PN pain.
2013 Experimented with various Mind-body modalities
3/2014 Significantly better
11/2014 Cured. No pain whatsoever since
Re: The mystery of patients doing very well right after surg
I do not believe there is any placebo effect after surgery and that the reduced pain level for the first 24-48 hours is due to anesthesia gradually leaving our systems. One of the goals of anesthesia is to stop the transmission or interrupt the pain signal. For example, when you have dental work done and the dentist gives you some Novocaine before they do a filling, the Novocaine stops the transmission of the nerve impulse so you don't feel pain by blocking the sodium channels in nerve cells. With time as the Novacaine wears off you feel pain in the tooth. This is the same with general anesthesia that is given during pudendal surgery. The variety of drugs that are used help not only stop the transmission of nerve impulses to the brain but also cause amnesia. All drugs have a 1/2 life, that is the time it takes for the serum (concentration in the blood) to be 1/2 the amount that was given. All drugs have different 1/2 lifes. For example, Versed is a very common drug given during procedures/surgeries and it's 1/2 life is a few hours but Ketamine the 1/2 life is 36 hours. Don't forget, it is not uncommon to have nausea after anesthesia but the nausea slowly subsides over 12-18 hours, sometimes with help of anti-nausea medication . There is no placebo effect, this is all about pharmacology and physiology that occurrs as the anesthesia decreases in our blood and tissues over the first 24-48 hours.
2/07 LAVH and TOT 7/07 TOT right side removed 9/07 IL, IH and GN neuropathy 11/07 PN - Dr. Howard
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
6/08 Obturator neuralgia - Dr. Conway 11/08 Disability, piriformis syndrome - Dr. Howard
4/09 Bilateral obturator decompression surgery, BLL RSD - Dr. Howard
9/10 Removed left side TOT, botox, re-evaluate obturator nerve - Dr. Hibner
2/11 LFCN and saphenous neuralgia - Dr. Dellon 2/11 MRI with Dr. Potter - confirmed entrapment
5/11 Right side TG - Dr. Hibner 2012 Left side TG - Dr. Hibner
Re: The mystery of patients doing very well right after surg
I agree with this. I had a lot of numb tissue in the area of the PN in the first 2 days. It was very weird to wipe after using the bathroom but not be able to feel it. I was also kind of easily tired, too. You can wake up from those medications, but they DO take time to clear out of your system.nyt wrote:There is no placebo effect, this is all about pharmacology and physiology that occurrs as the anesthesia decreases in our blood and tissues over the first 24-48 hours.
PNE as a result of childbirth, 2002. Treatment by the Houston team, with neurosurgery by Dr. Ansell in 2004. My left side ST and SS ligaments were found to be grown together, encasing the pudendal nerve.
I am cured. I hope you will be, too.
There are no medical answers on the forum. Your only hope is to go to a doctor. I was very happy with the Houston team, which has treated the most PNE patients (well over 400), more than any other US provider.
http://www.tipna.org
I am cured. I hope you will be, too.
There are no medical answers on the forum. Your only hope is to go to a doctor. I was very happy with the Houston team, which has treated the most PNE patients (well over 400), more than any other US provider.
http://www.tipna.org